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Jehovah’s Witnesses Defended: An Answer to Scholars and Critics Greg Stafford (Elihu Books, 1998) Jehovah’s Witnesses are not known for engaging in scholarly and apologetic dialogue. For decades they have been enc ouraged to skip higher education and enter into the service ministry. ≡ The Churches, Jehovah's Witnesses and the Question of Unfulfilled Prophetic Expectations ≡ The Apostasy and the Restoration ≡ The Doctrine of the Trinity and Acts 5:3, 4 ≡ An Examination of the 'Secret Book of James' ≡ Are Only Large Things Important to God? ≡ Who Was the Serpent in Genesis 3? Jehovah's Witnesses Defended: An Answer to Scholars and Critics, 1997, 373 pages, Greg G. Stafford, 477, Elihu Books, 1997. In 2007, Jehovah's Witness apologist and author Greg G. Stafford, author of Jehovah's Witnesses Defended (Elihu Books), formally disassociated from the group, while insisting on describing himself and his followers as 'Jehovah's Witnesses'. Stafford has published information about Jehovah's Witnesses, defending many of their distinctive. If Greg did in fact say he was no longer associated, then he is considered a DA. It is inconceivable that elders would let him 'run ahead' of 'Jehovah' and publicly announce that the WTS is basically evil for their blood policy and then do nothing about it. And even if they did, the WTS would make sure that Greg was toast in WatchtowerLand.
Posted by Greg Stafford at 3:58 AMSunday, November 30, 2008
Hello! Welcome to 'Watching the Ministry.' My name is Greg Stafford. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and a Christian Witness of Jah. Both are the same thing, really, in that both 'Jehovah's Witnesses' and the 'Christian Witnesses of Jah' from a biblical perspective have to do with those people who bear witness to the God Jah, apart from the traditions of men (compare Isaiah 29:13; Galatians 1:10). Of course, many who hear 'Jehovah's Witnesses' think immediately of those who bear witness to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. That is not what makes one a Jehovah's Witness, and the Christian Witnesses of Jah reject any attempt to equate bearing witness to Jah with bearing witness to men.
Is Mr. Stafford disfellowshipped ,or are there double standards in the WO organisation,or is this a precedent to follow?
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Three Dissertations on the Teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses, by Greg Stafford,
| This quotation from Greg Stafford is endnote 33 on pages 224-227 of Three Dissertations…. In order to allow Greg Stafford to be fully understood, we have quoted his entire footnote. This can be viewed as a comprehensive (yet limited) statement from him inasmuch as this endnote includes the entirety of his comments in Three Dissertations… regarding his debate with the author of The Tetragrammaton and the Christian Greek Scriptures. |
See Jehovah's Witnesses Defended, 2d ed., pages 12-53. In my previous discussion of this issue I considered a variety of claims made by Lynn Lundquist in his book, The Tetragrammaton and the Christian Greek Scriptures, 2d ed. (Portland, Oregon: Word Resources, 1998). In response, Lundquist added a four-page insert to his second edition. After describing my response to his book as 'fair and carefully written,' Lundquist proceeds to outline our basic differences. He claims that a fundamental difference between us is that I would likely not allow for the possibility that the New Testament writer could identify Jesus as Jehovah, while Lundquist himself is not bound by any such restriction. But the fact is I have no 'restriction' in identifying Jesus as Jehovah. Indeed, in chapter 2 of my second edition I suggested the possibility that Jesus was identified as Jehovah in a sense similar to the manner in which other created spirits were given the divine name or viewed as though they were Jehovah. This practice is found in the Old Testament and in Jewish literature circulating prior to and during the time of the New Testament (Jehovah's Witnesses Defended, 2d ed., pages 84-90, 354).
Biblical monotheists do not have a problem identifying Jesus as Jehovah in a representational, non-ontological sense, for this is consistent with the biblical data concerning Jesus and other spirit representatives for God. For example, I have no problem accepting 'the name that is above every name' in Philippians 2:9 as 'Jehovah,' which is given to Jesus. But the fact that such a name is given to Jesus by God shows that 1) Jesus is not the God who gave him the name nor a 'person' of that God, and 2) he is not Jehovah by nature, otherwise there would be no need for him to be given the divine name. But this assumes that the name here given to Jesus is Jehovah, and I am more than willing to grant that assumption and accept it as consistent with the biblical concept of God and Christ. The limitation that Lundquist believes exists in terms of my 'frame of reference' concerning the use of the divine name does not in fact exist.
Lundquist also comments on my reply to his claim that the NWT gave more authority to various late Hebrew translation of the New Testament than the Greek New Testament itself. In his new insert, under the heading 'The perspective of authority,' Lundquist notes that I myself refer to 144 instances in the NWT New Testament where the divine name is used with 'no Hebrew Scripture precedent of any kind.' But this has nothing to do with my point of criticism about Lundquist's comment concerning NWT's alleged favoring of late Hebrew translations over the Greek New Testament. My point of criticism against Lundquist on this matter was very clearly made at least two times on page 29 of the second edition of my Jehovah's Witnesses Defended, in both the main text and in note 64. The main text reads, 'Lundquist seems to thing that the NWT chose various Hebrew translation of the NT (which are referred to in many of the NWT's New Testament footnotes) over the Christian Greek Scriptures in every instance.' In note 64 on page 29 of Jehovah's Witnesses Defended, 2d ed., I quoted Lundquist's book, page 54, where he explicitly claimed, 'the suitability of the Tetragrammaton for the 237 Jehovah passages is derived only from later Hebrew translations. (the italics are Lundquist's; the underlining is mine). My conclusion was that Lundquist should have known better than to make such a claim with respect to all 237 instances of the divine name in the NWT New Testament (NWTNT), especially since elsewhere in his writing he reveals an awareness of NWT's dependence on OT quotations for its use of the divine name, not merely later Hebrew translations. The fact that I list examples of texts in the NWTNT that do not have 'Hebrew Scripture precedent of any kind' is irrelevant to my criticism of Lundquist on this point.
Nowhere in Lundquist's four-page insert does he address what I presented as significantly damaging information to his position, namely:
- Since according to the available manuscript evidence the Hebrew and Greek Old Testament (OT) texts that were used by the NT writers contained the divine name, why, then, if the divine name is not part of the original NT documents, did God not preserve His word from the OT into the NT?
- If Lundquist's view is correct, namely, that we should only translate what is in the copies of the NT that we have in our possession, the earliest of which are considered approximately fifty years removed from the originals (see Jehovah's Witnesses Defended, 2d ed., pages 18-19, note 40), then God did not preserve His own Word in those instances where his Word in the OT, containing the divine name, is quoted by the NT writers. Yet, Lundquist believes God would have preserved his Word, in which case he should be arguing for the use of the divine name where the NT writers quote divine-name-containing OT texts.
- In view of the fact that the available evidence supports the belief that the Hebrew and Greek OT texts used by the NT writers contained the divine name, the manuscript support for the use of the divine name in the NT texts which quote the OT, where the OT contains the divine name, is solid. The fact that later copies of the NT do not have the divine name is irrelevant since we know that during roughly this same period of time those who were likely responsible for the transmission and copying of the NT manuscripts were also responsible for the transmission and copying of the LXX manuscripts, and the evidence we have shows that the divine name was removed from the LXX. It should not be hard to accept, then, that the same or similar people during the same or roughly the same period of time removed the divine name from the NT, especially since the LXX was likely considered to be the product of inspiration by many if not all of these individuals before the entire NT was made part of the inspired cannon.
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Obviously, then, my position regarding the use of the divine name in the NT is based on my consideration of the manuscript evidence, particularly the source material for NT quotations of the OT. Yet, in a green insert titled 'Jehovah's Witnesses Defended . . . demands a response,' that Lundquist mailed to hundreds, perhaps thousands of people, he claims that in [sic] I tried to 'justify the 237 occurrences of Jehovah in the New World Translation NT on other than manuscript evidence' (see footnote on the insert). But, again, I do not try to justify all 237 occurrences of the divine name in the NWTTNT and for those occurrences I do attempt to justify I most certainly do argue in part from the available NT and LXX manuscript evidence. However, given the fact that we do not have any NT originals we cannot argue conclusively from NT copies in light of the way the LXX was treated during roughly the same period of time and possibly against the use of the divine name in the NT must be more sophisticated than a simple consultation with various NT manuscript copies.